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CAN YOU BE A FEMINIST AND WORK IN FASHION?
Posted by Bethan Holt, Fashion Junior at Large
Radio 4's Woman's Hour is something of an institution; a fact I was reminded of when I listened in this morning and items on the agenda included underage sex and a guide to the pestle and mortar. Where else would that happen? I don't get to listen very often but I made a point of finding the Listen Again option this afternoon having been out and about this morning. Earlier I had seen a tweet from the programme asking whether it's possible to be a feminist as well as working in fashion. I find myself fighting the corner for being a fashion feminist all the time so I was really wanted to see how this panned out. The guests were Angela Clarke, who wrote the column and subsequent book Confessions of a Fashionista, and Ghost founder Tanya Sarne. You could easily make an hour-long documentary on this subject- I feel like the Woman's Hour discussion barely touched the surface. Angela spoke about women being sent off to be told how to apply make-up and how to dress in her time at Harrods- a sad practice, yes, but more a symptom of working in a corporate environment which demands conformity. I have friends who work in the city, boys and girls, who are put through those kinds of workshops. The big issue with this debate is that people mistake fashion industry flaws like young models and body image for feminist problems which they aren't because they happen to boys too. I think fashion is empowering, fun and a celebration of great design, no more harmful to women than football is to men. Do you agree?
Listen to the discussion again here, it's 25 minutes in.
Listen to the discussion again here, it's 25 minutes in.
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You are so right in saying "The big issue with this debate is that people mistake fashion industry flaws like young models and body image for feminist problems which they aren't because they happen to boys too." I completely agree.
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I think I'll listen to that later, it sounds interesting. I don't see why you can't be interested in fashion and a feminist and I get annoyed when people suggest otherwise. Feminism is about having a choice, as far as I'm concerned - being able to do the job you want to do, being able to wear what you want (I remember being shocked when my mother told me that years ago, as a secretary, she was required to wear a skirt), be it fashionable or not. Some feminists like shoes and makeup and some don't, but the core values are the same: equality and respect. x
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I 100% agree that you can be a feminist and in fashion, but I think it's simplistic to say something isn't a feminist problem because it happens boys, too. The issue with women being demeaned and objectified in popular culture (including fashion imagery) isn't simply that; it's in a context of a patriarchy in which women are constantly - and have always been - demeaned and objectified. Men are coming from a place of male privilege where, like it or not, their objectification is never going to be as damaging (because it's not expected or accepted in the same way) as that of women.
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